tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post5559671323155020251..comments2024-03-28T02:14:56.036-07:00Comments on Goblinoid Games: Crowdfunding a Three-Ring Circus?Dan of Earthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-16440075402336157382012-06-02T09:20:53.812-07:002012-06-02T09:20:53.812-07:00Thanks for the comments everyone, they've been...Thanks for the comments everyone, they've been interesting!Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-75888712291789629852012-06-01T02:38:40.479-07:002012-06-01T02:38:40.479-07:00I am just looking to get the base product and real...I am just looking to get the base product and really don't care about the stretch goals. I think of it as pre-ordering with the same caveat. Some people might end up not delivering.Alex Schroederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104864340940538702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-38978749698280687322012-05-30T21:59:26.183-07:002012-05-30T21:59:26.183-07:00The LotFP hardback is a test case for me: there...The LotFP hardback is a test case for me: there's nothing I would like more from LotFP than a Ken Hite penned adventure, so I'm almost tempted to fund it, but I don't want the hardback itself, so I won't. It's as tempting as it could possibly be but just not quite enough.richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517340075234811323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-89190384075113849752012-05-30T14:33:19.950-07:002012-05-30T14:33:19.950-07:00I've supported several projects but I actually...I've supported several projects but I actually hate stretch goals. I would like to be able to evaluate a project up front and decide if it is something I want to invest in. Stretch goals make that more complicatedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17960874265925545983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-36745417731345679132012-05-30T13:14:51.140-07:002012-05-30T13:14:51.140-07:00No doubt that stretch goals are a double-edged swo...No doubt that stretch goals are a double-edged sword - they certainly add value to a project but they also add to the overall workload.<br /><br />The whole idea of "value-added" I think has become part of the expectation, but that's ok as long as you enter into it with eyes wide-open.<br /><br />I think we have also, very quickly, reached a point of saturation, so stretch goals can allow you to be creative and help distinguish your project.<br /><br />Finally, I think the people who back your project deserve to be rewarded, above and beyond a book. After all they are allowing your project to happen.Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934958487613782595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-46773346144779041942012-05-30T12:17:14.552-07:002012-05-30T12:17:14.552-07:00Were I to do it again -- I'm not planning to -...Were I to do it again -- I'm not planning to -- I don't think I'd include many stretch goals, if I included any at all. They have their uses, to be sure, but I also think they tend to detract from the original purpose of the Kickstarter and raise expectations in ways that are unfair to both backers and creators.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-77716125661338746252012-05-30T12:16:05.183-07:002012-05-30T12:16:05.183-07:00Nor am I much interested in the stretch goals.
I...Nor am I much interested in the stretch goals. <br /><br />In fact, some of the stretch goals can be off-putting such as extra classes, races and the like, as my tastes for such are kind of minimalist. <br /><br />I do like the option to get the book in hardcover, though.Mallius Vanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017597212038657943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-21813922509878976592012-05-30T10:05:32.127-07:002012-05-30T10:05:32.127-07:00It depends on the level of support required to get...It depends on the level of support required to get the base product. Normally, I am really only concerned about getting the base product, but if I am expected to pay out cash that would be over what I might expect to pay for a similar product elsewhere, the only way I am going to invest is because of those stretch goals, which will make up for the extra money invested. So far, though, most projects that I have been interested in have been very reasonable, so those stretch goals have been irrelevent.FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-56573700891278721502012-05-30T08:47:35.803-07:002012-05-30T08:47:35.803-07:00I had a single stretch goal for my Kickstarter pro...I had a single stretch goal for my Kickstarter project (which was actually a shared stretch goal with Dwimmermount's Kickstarter). In my case, it wasn't so much a way to persuade people to support my project as it was to cross-pollinate between the two projects.<br /><br />I've never decided to throw support behind a project on the basis of a stretch goal. <br /><br />Personally, I find the constant addition of stretch goals can smack of hard-sell hucksterism, and that can turn me off. There's no magic number, but too many stretch goals just seem tacky; a lot of them should have been folded into the main project in the first place.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-29475279186966926232012-05-30T08:20:33.567-07:002012-05-30T08:20:33.567-07:00Yes, I rarely consider the stretch goals, I either...Yes, I rarely consider the stretch goals, I either want the main product to get funded or I don't. But I may not represent the statistical norm.Carter Soleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286436801953647693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-74292785736382332362012-05-30T08:19:49.884-07:002012-05-30T08:19:49.884-07:00I haven't contributed to any crowd-funded proj...I haven't contributed to any crowd-funded projects yet, but if I do, it won't be for stretch goals or added goodies. I prefer to consider these sorts of things as preorders; all I really care about is getting the product and if pre-paying for it will get it off the ground, then great. But I find myself a bit put-off by all the various funding levels and stretch goals and it actually turns me off of contributing at all.Sean Robsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429301144221551751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-55046382220044436932012-05-30T07:57:52.170-07:002012-05-30T07:57:52.170-07:00I don't care about stretch goals either, they&...I don't care about stretch goals either, they're just an added bonus if I get them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-31411650201810312742012-05-30T07:48:55.919-07:002012-05-30T07:48:55.919-07:00Dan, I've supported quite a few crowd funded p...Dan, I've supported quite a few crowd funded projects (to include the Labyrinth Lord screens). For me, I'm usually not concerned about the stretch goals, but more about what comes from the backer levels. For instance, there was one project for an Aztec themed RPG that I helped fund. The core book sounded neat and the backer level I pleged to got me a color version of the core rules. Similarly with the Frog God Games Rappan Athuk funder. I wanted the Hard Back book, so I funded at that level. While stretch goals can sometimes be interesting; for me at least, they haven't really influenced me. Although I'll admit to upping my backer level pledge for neater items in the backer level (i.e. getting a personalized sketch, etc). I assume that the backer level items have already been accounted for in the main funding goal, thus not really subject to the "circus" effect that you described for the stretch goals.Xyanthonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902260753434100101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-22903632159848710302012-05-30T07:48:25.789-07:002012-05-30T07:48:25.789-07:00If I invest in a Kickstarter I am just looking to ...If I invest in a Kickstarter I am just looking to get the base product and really don't care about the stretch goals. <br /><br />With that being said there are a few stretch goals that I thought were good idea (as long as they have a good return). For example the extra map booklet of Dwimmermount. <br /><br />I liked SJ Games stretch goal of Car Wars simply because I thought it was a neat way of assessing interest to do that project. And I think it will work out because it a "classic" SJ Games game in the same vein as Ogre. I.e. if you liked ogre you will probably like Car Wars as well.<br /><br />But like all tools stretch requires good judgment to use.Robert Conleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.com