tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post9136747950707166119..comments2024-03-28T02:14:56.036-07:00Comments on Goblinoid Games: DCC RPG: Observations and CommentsDan of Earthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-29304783351332423582011-06-11T20:29:08.624-07:002011-06-11T20:29:08.624-07:00Thank you for the comments regarding DCC. One thin...Thank you for the comments regarding DCC. One thing that I was less than pleased with were the vast number of tables. It reminded me of the old ICE books more than anything else. It seems like an effort to introduce imaginative game effects into a what can sometimes (but should never) be routine, boring combat situations. It seems the GM could just as easily narrate interesting combat developments than rolling on the various tables. The tables are witty and enjoyable, but I fear that just as with all the ICE "law" books, the effects will quickly become stale and often have nothing to do with specific in game developments.The Mad Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03313028710676991292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-15256625010166791112011-06-09T17:47:13.444-07:002011-06-09T17:47:13.444-07:00“...expressed by the OSR...”
Yes. But, as you poi...“...<i>expressed by the OSR</i>...”<br /><br />Yes. But, as you point out, the OSR’s message may not be reaching a lot of people. Goodman can perhaps spread the word farther. And in a different voice than the OSR. (Or C&C)<br /><br />“...<i>rejected by the 3.x audience.</i>”<br /><br />Rejected by the 3.x <i>advocates</i>. i.e. The 3e equivalent of the OSR. The blog and forum crowd.<br /><br />Of course, the most important question is: What can we borrow from it for our LL games. ^_^Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733274876782876659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-6773329202195288022011-06-09T16:51:18.457-07:002011-06-09T16:51:18.457-07:00@cyclopeatron: Could be, and your comment about th...@cyclopeatron: Could be, and your comment about the demographic makes a lot of sense. I had always assumed Joe was after the 3.x/d20 crowd (similar audience to C&C), but the game that was delivered doesn't seem to fit that demographic. Unless of course I'm totally off base in my assessment of what that audience would be responsive to, which is certainly possible.<br /><br />@Robert: You make a good point about evangelizing, but I do wonder if that message has already been expressed by the OSR and rejected by the 3.x audience. In fact it seems to be one criticism I've seen a number of times against the OSR,this "doctrine" of character mortality, dungeon delving, etc. Have they achieved a middle ground? I'm not sure. Yhe elements they chose from either side of the fence seem odd to me, but who knows. They definitely had to take a unique approach or they would have ended up with something like Castles & Crusades, and then all of the criticisms would be for that.Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-8194188743899133572011-06-09T16:44:00.535-07:002011-06-09T16:44:00.535-07:00Harley, thanks for the clarification, that solves ...Harley, thanks for the clarification, that solves one riddle. ;-)Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-78615234498375218632011-06-09T16:25:57.732-07:002011-06-09T16:25:57.732-07:00One As others have pointed out, a few of the art p...<i>One As others have pointed out, a few of the art pieces are very clearly copies of some pieces from the Moldvay/Cook B/X set, a move that is very perplexing to me due to the obvious copyright issues on one hand ... </i><br /><br />One minor note: many of the illustrations that appear to be "copied" from prior D&D books are actually done by the same artists who did similar images back in the 1970's and 1980's. Joseph asked the artists to re-interpret some of their classic works.<br /><br />//HHarleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634991782930258133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-34015130948524102792011-06-09T11:31:08.678-07:002011-06-09T11:31:08.678-07:00Very good overview and highlighting of the interes...Very good overview and highlighting of the interesting bits.<br /><br />On the fetishization of Appendix N: I think this works as a way to distinguish DCC RPG from the other "old school" choices. And the game needs something that does that. (I'm really curious to see if that angle actually pans out in play.)<br /><br />On "your not a hero" and the tables: I think Goodman isn't so much trying to attract the old school crowd as trying to evangelize and sell these ideas to the 3e/4e crowd. Not the hardcore elements, but the more open minded people. Sort of a "Hey, give this a shot. It might not be as bad as you think." I think I know a number of people (who don't spend a lot of time on the blogs or forums) for whom this approach might work well.<br /><br />The suggested body-count and the overly unpredictable magic are turn-offs for me and perhaps going too far. OTOH, widening the contrast between "new school" and "old school" here can, perhaps, get the point across better. A more middle-ground approach makes it more likely that people just house rule their current style of play over it completely without giving it a fair shake. Maybe.<br /><br />All I can say so far about the art is that I like it. It feels like a combo between B/X and the 1e DMG, which--for me--strikes the nostalgia chord big time.<br /><br />Well, those are some off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts. I would've written less, but I didn't have the time. ^_^ I'm actually fairly optimistic about it at the moment.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733274876782876659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-19157084021758579862011-06-09T10:43:46.640-07:002011-06-09T10:43:46.640-07:00I wonder if DCC is being marketed TO the OSR as mu...I wonder if DCC is being marketed TO the OSR as much as it's begin marketed AS the OSR... <br /><br />Joseph told me his main goal is to market DCC to the 3.0/3.5/d20 demographic. I wouldn't be surprised if he's going for the OSR-curious portion of this market that never fully adopted Pathfinder for whatever reason.Bob Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12073807225519106277noreply@blogger.com