tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post3784740175542203123..comments2024-03-28T02:14:56.036-07:00Comments on Goblinoid Games: Comments on the Prometheus Movie (Spoilers)Dan of Earthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-86651940465457772012012-06-15T10:28:04.465-07:002012-06-15T10:28:04.465-07:00@Big Jay: Thanks for that link, it sheds some ligh...@Big Jay: Thanks for that link, it sheds some light on the movie. One issue I have with the plot is that the viewer really needs enough info in the movie to make all of these connections. You shouldn't have to track down obscure comments from Scott in various locations to try to read his mind. <br /><br />One thought that occurred to me is whether this is a movie he would have made in the 80s. I mean in terms of story, not special effects. Maybe he would have, but this movie just seems so...odd to me.Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-50983054408520071412012-06-15T10:10:02.874-07:002012-06-15T10:10:02.874-07:00Not seen it yet...due to a show in about 4 hours. ...Not seen it yet...due to a show in about 4 hours. Being the impatient sort I wondered about all the sudden negative vibes and went scouting about for an answer. <a href="http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html" rel="nofollow">This is the best one</a> I've found so far that goes into the nitty-gritty of what appears to be just another attempt to fuse science and religion into some kind of awful mess.<br /><br />We're all curious about the "truth" of "human origins", but this kind of half-baked, freshman Philosophy 101 garbage is just beneath Mr. Scott.<br /><br />Too bad, I was hoping this might be a good jumping off point for a new franchise.Big_Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543412177417039482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-81083052797892472692012-06-14T08:46:13.646-07:002012-06-14T08:46:13.646-07:00There are answers, but you have to pay attention. ...There are answers, but you have to pay attention. There is a lot to miss. I found that I was not paying enough attention. First off the bat Prometheus takes place on LV-227. Alien and Aliens takes place on LV-426. A lot of people miss this, even though it is called out at the beginning of the film. Most of the way through the film I assumed the movie would end with the ship crashing, setting up the scene for Alien. But things didn't make sense- the ship didn't come to rest at the same angle, the transmission Dr. Elizabeth Shaw (Dr Who reference BTW) sets up is a warning, not a distress call, and the climate of the planet seems different. Thats when I realised that its a different ship. Then I realised it was a different planet. <br /><br />Joe has it right- the proto-alien you see at the end is a precursor to the facehugger that implants the space jocky in Alien. <br /><br />Opener with the DNA of the "Engineer" starts with him disolving, and then falling into the water. Then we zoom in on the DNA, and it is disolving. But then it stops, and starts rebuilding. Then we see cell division, and then red blood cells. Perhaps it takes 50 million years for "humans" to come out of the "mammalian evolutionary maze" that guy starts with his little bits of DNA. I interpreted that he is spiking the punch of the primordial ooze- this makes sense as science thinks mammals as we know them rose to dominance in the Cenozoic after the K-T extinction event. So it figures that the "engineers" have recently started over when the big frost giant dude takes the drink donating his body to science a little early...<br /><br />I have to agree with all the running around after the operation to be a little far fetched. However, they did make a point to show that she was injecting a lot of "something" into her system. We assume its painkiller, but given that it is 75 years in the future, maybe they have some awesome drugs. But this answer beggers the question as to why Weyland has not sought out rejuvenation technologies something we would assume would be around given the pace of medical tech today. Then again maybe he is in a Roy Batty situation and none of it will work. <br /><br />My interpretation is that the guy they bring out of cryo looks at david, looks at the earthlings in the room and realises "Oh crap, they have space travel and are making people" and so resumes the mission. I don't think the ship is going to destroy the humans, I think it is the next step in whatever experiement they are running- that is the goo causes punctuated equilibrium and they want to see if they can make it through such conditions. The fact they they show up, and get their pictures taken in cave paintings indicates that they check in on their experiements like any good scientist. I will say that the captain is right, it is a facility, but I am not sure it is military. It is probably a research facility.Steamtunnelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02597332921872904036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-14410459419408924902012-06-13T16:29:39.393-07:002012-06-13T16:29:39.393-07:00Your opinion largely matches mine, Dan. I thought ...Your opinion largely matches mine, Dan. I thought it was a beautiful film that tried to do too much and ended up making a hash of things. I'm not unhappy to have seen it, but it's a very flawed movie -- "half baked" is what I have lately been calling it.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-36989924876684089492012-06-13T14:40:51.568-07:002012-06-13T14:40:51.568-07:00Joseph, thanks for pointing that out about the ali...Joseph, thanks for pointing that out about the aliens and the hosts. It's been a long while since I've seen all the films. I should watch those again. That does beg the question of why the woman gave birth to something looking like a squid, but then again maybe I'm asking for it to make more sense than it needs to! That thing grew into something like a giant face-hugger, so yeah maybe the thing is evolving at breakneck speed. <br /><br />I guess over all it just felt like a sloppy storyline. I felt much the same way after the last Star Trek movie.Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-737080860119263961.post-8185703529092374392012-06-13T14:10:42.897-07:002012-06-13T14:10:42.897-07:00I think it's already been established that the...I think it's already been established that the aliens will assume different forms depending on the host in which they gestate. Look at the alien in Alien 3; because it gestated inside the dog, it was itself quadrupedal. So there's definitely some level of genetic adaptation.<br /><br />Perhaps what we saw with the alien coming out of the Engineer was the precursor to the aliens that we see in Alien and Aliens. I note that it wasn't quite exactly like the alien we saw in those films; perhaps they need to gestate inside a human to achieve that distinctive appearance. <br /><br />I definitely agree that there's a lot of ground left to cover between this film and Alien. Lots of things are left unanswered; what is the genetic connection (if any) between the Engineers and humans? (I don't think it created all life, because if I'm not mistaken there were plants on the shores of that water, and why would the "human-expressive genes" lay dormant for several billion years?) Why were they seen guiding humans, presumably millions of years after that first Engineer killed himself, and then suddenly decide that we needed to be exterminated? <br /><br />All fodder for more films, of course.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.com